Some people already know me. I am French but if I were an American I would be a leftist among the Democrates.
I am rough, politically uncorrect, I like to talk frankly.
Edufire of course admits any kind of visitors here but must obviously remain neutral. Everybody can understand that even me.
BUT
Is it really necessary and obligatory and even positive and useful to remain silent when we need to express our opinions ? I think the response is NO !
Edufire is a place devoted to Education and I 100% agree BUT it’s impossible for me to keep mum concerning many things in our dayly life. Life is political. Education is also political.
SO I ask the staff to create a special forum for this political stuff. I give one example : Yesterday night I saw members of the K K K on the TV who pretend to wait a racial revolution thanks to President Obama. They openly call him an Untermensch and bloody negroe ! Being a tutor on Edufire I can not do as if these people are not existing. They are going to try of course to kill Obama one day or another. It is our civil and political duty to speak about these kinds of things on Edufire.
Yesterday I was rough with another guy on Edufire because he was not rejoicing for America. My blood is hot. It’s my nature.
PLEASE create a special forum for hot blooded people ! THANKS

hi mr. president, i had the same thought yesterday, that obama might be assacinated like john kennedy. therefore i am warning you mr. prsident to increase your personal security, and be vigilant. take my word, i am the humble servant of the almighty allah, i predict a lot of events and it took place. may allah protect and guard you as he has been always doing with me.

Patrick, I think opinion is accepted on this forum however when one is getting into a debate over race, sexuality etc. I think that you have to use your common sense and just stop it there. We have T&A for a reason and they’re there to keep everyone happy and so one doesn’t feel discriminated.

Also Patrick if someone doesn’t agree with you in politics, Don’t take it too seriously they’re only expressing their OPINION.

Patrick,

eduFire isn’t being “apolitical” and you’ll have no doubt seen that it isn’t that there is an issue with people expressing their “political views”. It’s about the way they are expressed.

Patrick,
I hope you took time to read my response to your,
“Yesterday I was rough with another guy on Edufire because he was not rejoicing for America…”
It may be that sometimes people don’t approve of peoples political stance not that they don’t support him as a leader. While I may not be like you in rejoicing for president-elect Barrack Obama I am certainly not like the member of the KKK you saw on TV. I am a firm believe of supporting whoever is in office because as a country that’s who we chose. It is Obama’s chance to make a stand for the American government and to make the change he claims needs to happen. I pray that he is a strong leader and is true to his word, but by no means should you get frustrated at my OPINION to disagree with his political views. Again, I would urge you to restrain yourself when speaking to people who disagree with you. I am sure you where taught as a child to respect people for who they are and I see no reason for “hot blood.” Sometimes the best way to approach someone in regards to politics is to allow for them to see there own mistakes. I don’t want you to have some personal vendetta against me simply because I don’t agree with you politically. I have plenty of friends who are just as “left” as you are but respect me because I am equally as “right.”

I would also like to mention that I agree with your views on the KKK and the idea that they will probably try to assassinate Obama, which I think is crazy and obviously do not support. I also agree with your statement saying, “It is our civil and political duty to speak about these kinds of things….” however; eduFire may not be the place to do that.

I hope you can grow to respect me as a person with opinions rather than someone who you get heated over simply because I don’t see eye to eye with you.
Thanks again for your time.

Patrick,

education is not only political, it is maybe above politics. It’s the foundation of anything that has been created by man and whatever distinguishes us from animals. It’s sacred not only by a socialist point of view, but even Adam Smith separated education from the free market to secure it. There is no point of any system/society if its “units” are lacking education, moral or technical….

but,

being a member of other forums as well, i dare assume the reason such subjects are avoided….

piece of mind, the moderators, no matter how willing they are for political debate, prefer things to stay calm, they have a lot to deal with already. Marco said “it isn’t that there is an issue with people expressing their “political views”. It’s about the way they are expressed.”, and political threads are unfortunately bound to spiral out of control :-)

As has been said, on the surface having a thread about politics sounds fine but the reality is, politics is a subject that people are passionate about and it could potentially lead to bad feeling, even if that was never the intention.

eduFire is a wonderful community and a happy community. I believe we all want to keep it that way.

In the United States, education is political. There is much protest about teaching Darwinism and Creationism. Some people complain when “An Inconvenient Truth” or a Michael Moore documentary is shown in class.

As others have said, it is not what you say but how you say it. As I said in my American Government class, we have freedom of speech but with each freedom comes the responsibility to use those freedoms in a responsible manner.

Thanks for your comments everybody !
I think I am as usual misunderstood and the reason is very simple : I used only written messages and you could not hear the way I would say it in a spoken message. If necessary I can make videos next time. But it is obviously quicker to write.
The voice adds to the text someting I would call “feeling”. What more in a video it’s possible to say much more for not being misunderstood.
Anyway I am pleased to see that my topics generates a lot of reactions. Don’t you think I am not only rough but also courageous ? After all I risk my membership here. Please ! Have mercy ! Consider me as the worst French among the French. In fact I don’t give a …. about France, I am an Internationalist. Viva la Revolución ! Thawra ! Thawra ! Thawra ! (no ! it’s not Tora Tora Tora which is “tiger” in Japanese) :-)
God bless Obama and his protectors !

well, i have bruised my voice in protest marches were police beat and threw gas on us (students), and others, friends of mine have been injured. Does that mean i should write about something in a frenzy kind of way?

It’s a forum, the mean is writing, we express ourselves through that in the proper (meaning practical) way. Unfortunate, but…. it’s a forum

I think you hit the nail on the head Patrick. You’re only using one kind of method to communicate which, you’re absolutely correct, is completely isolated compared to talking with somebody face to face.

And it is because of this that we all need to double check what we write.

It’s actually irrelevant whether one means to cause offence, it’s whether one can cause offence due to the written word not being perceived as its author intended. You don’t need to be courageous.

So, double check, triple check and have fun.

Marco ! Imagine reality is a kind of Pompei : If you want to find something you must dig deep into the earth.
Many people are superficial. They scratch and find nothing in reality. They remain ignorants. I prefer archeologists who dig deep under the surface.
One tree can hide a forest. I will make a video for being clear. I can not be politically correct for people who are fragile like dolls.

To quote a completely non-intellectual movie….
“Why so serious?”
10 points to the 1st person to respond with the correct movie… this is an easy one.
But in all seriousness its concepts like this that get people offended because some people don’t know when to back down. It doesn’t offend me because I used to having to defend my views where I live. But I mean sometimes things are better off left on the surface and if we dig to deep we may awake a monster. I know that sounds stupid and cliche but its true and its for this reason you get in trouble and “risk your membership” over. Patrick, I think you have some really deep hidden agenda behind your political rants and that’s not a bad thing. You should consider finding a forum dedicated to politics (but DON’T tell them your French.) I think this would do you a world of good and you would have a blast. Most of the people on eduFire either agree with you or don’t want to sit on an educational website that is supposed to be fun just to have someone try to force there ideals on them or even get hazed because they simply have a different thought than you.The problem perhaps could be that there is not enough people here that are willing to disagree with you (besides me of course.) In regards to making a video I think that could be a double-edged sword, you could end up doing more bad than good.
Good luck and may I suggest google?

Alex ! Why are you speaking about swords when I am only using words ? SSSSSSSS !!! This S is too much similar to the hiSSSSSing of a SSSSnake :-)
And what about my HIDDEN AGENDA ? Is my bed ready in Guantanamo ? Did you buy my ticket ?
Alex ! I love your typical bushy reaction ! You bring water to my mill ;-)

Glad to hear I move you ;)! I am done with feeding your liberal band wagon.

Touché, Alex!

Patrick, why do I think your trolling? =/

DNFTT

Et touché, Arky! Right: DNFTT

Lol @ trolling! That’s hillarious…

Here is my BlockBuster : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4079984089863999097

I am waiting for your answers.

Patrick, It’s nice to see that your committed enough to EduFire to make a 17 minute video without a script, You have my respect for that.

However I think you may have misunderstood my first post, I was in no way trying to protect the KKK, There campaign is not opinion but predjudice and that is something that really enrages me. I merely meant that if you and another member had a disagreement I think you should be able to say honestly that if someone else has a different opinion then you are ok with that.

I hope you understood that better that my first post, I know I might have been a little unclear.

It’s evident that writing and speaking are two differents modes for expressing oneself. Both are complementary for beeing correctly understood. That’s the reason why I should make videos in English more often. It’s an excellent exercice for improving and correcting oneself. Teaching in English is much easier that speaking about a really serious subject.

What a waste of time . . . trying to disguise bigotry, arrogance, and rudeness as an interesting educational experience. Oh, lol.

Yea…. like I said there is nothing to say to you Patrick your arrogance and complete disregard to the community and the opinions of others is astonishing. Its impressive how you overlook the point people are making to try and find an error or something you can argue with. You should try maturing and learning from other peoples opinions rather than being so self confident in your own idolatry.
I wrote something else but I may start to sound like you, so I deleted it.
Much Love!

I love your disagreement ! It feeds my confidence in what I feel : some Republicans are really ferocious enemies of truth. I am sure they would have been able to vote once again for G. W. Bush the butcher.
I bet the KKK is going to recruit many new members among the desappointed ones. Desappointed by the unavoidable march of progress ! Long Live to the Democrates and to Obama ’s Electors !